{"id":1455,"date":"2012-05-31T12:29:53","date_gmt":"2012-05-31T11:29:53","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/avbp.net\/?p=1455"},"modified":"2014-09-17T11:27:41","modified_gmt":"2014-09-17T10:27:41","slug":"debating-capitalism-as-if-it-exists","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/avbp.net\/?p=1455","title":{"rendered":"Debating Capitalism as if it exists"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>In my earlier post I said that my hobby of analysing capitalism from a\u00a0sustainable\u00a0point of view has got me to the point where I see that\u00a0capitalism\u00a0is actually a grammar describing the language of money.<\/p>\n<p>I said that there is an intellectual class paid to talk about these issues but, like linguists who have spoken a language but never ever\u00a0said\u00a0anything\u00a0significant, they have no influence over policy-making, law making or even how people use money.<\/p>\n<p>We now see conferences debating &#8220;capitalism&#8221; is if were a system, as if it existed like something \u00a0you could change and even adapt.<\/p>\n<p>It is now the\u00a0turn\u00a0of Peter Drucker&#8217;s followers to discuss this\u00a0academic\u00a0subject as if it were a science.<\/p>\n<div id=\"_mcePaste\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.druckerforum.org\/news\/\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" alt=\"\" src=\"http:\/\/www.druckerforum.org\/fileadmin\/user_upload\/2014\/images\/news\/6th_gpdf_with_tagline.jpg\" width=\"580\" height=\"169\" \/><\/a><\/div>\n<blockquote><p>QUOTE: While the unethical behaviours and self-serving\u00a0strategies of key players in the financial sector\u00a0have become quite evident because of the mess,\u00a0the issue has not stopped there. Many have begun\u00a0to question the underlying values of the capitalist\u00a0system as a whole.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Sadly, they make capitalism into a system, and mean that there are values underlying this system. Such un-precise\u00a0\u00a0language is what gets you into trouble in the first place. And they quote unethical\u00a0behaviors, not the system as part of the problem. \u00a0Here is another scientific-sounding quote:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>There is not the slightest shadow of evidence\u00a0that any other known or conceived economic\u00a0system would have achieved the mind-boggling\u00a0performance in value creation and innovation\u00a0in such a short timeframe.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Of course there is no evidence. How can you collect evidence and do experiments and measurements on something that does not exist?<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/avbp.net\/?attachment_id=1458\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-1458\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-1458\" title=\"Captialsim as debate\" alt=\"\" src=\"http:\/\/avbp.net\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/\/Captialsim-as-debate-1024x301.jpg\" width=\"1024\" height=\"301\" srcset=\"https:\/\/avbp.net\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/Captialsim-as-debate-1024x301.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/avbp.net\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/Captialsim-as-debate-300x88.jpg 300w, https:\/\/avbp.net\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/Captialsim-as-debate.jpg 1159w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Later on in the abstracts, the debate treats capitalism as if it were more that a system, maybe an ideal?\u00a0As long as the intellectual class spends its employer&#8217;s money talking about things that do not exist in a way that lacks precision or actionabilty, it will be unable to lead the way to any sustainable transition to equitable and ecological practices.<\/p>\n<p>The man in the street could give you the straight answer to the question above: the debt crisis, and the problems in Greece are consequences of mis-management, deliberate and non-deliberate, by\u00a0people\u00a0who have enough capital to not be affected by it. \u00a0The <strong><em>system<\/em><\/strong> as \u00a0everyone insists on calling it, does not exist; there are no real definitions of it, and depending on the mood of the\u00a0debaters\u00a0expands and\u00a0contracts\u00a0in a farcical exchange to win points. And votes.<\/p>\n<p>One interesting time -waster will be the debate:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>On a more fundamental level, there is a broader<\/p>\n<p>challenge to the Western capitalist model in the<\/p>\n<p>form of state capitalism as exercised in countries<\/p>\n<p>as different as China and Brazil<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Once again, the &#8220;system&#8221; is now a &#8220;model&#8221; that can be &#8220;challenged&#8221; by another model. What kind of challenge is Brazil? Are they going to ridicule other states? Undercut other countries&#8217; products? Is state capitalism capitalism? Is it the same &#8220;model&#8221; in a different mode? And where does &#8220;management&#8221; fit in. I am sure Peter Drucker worked with much better things, like getting\u00a0companies\u00a0to work properly.<\/p>\n<p>It all sounds so intellectual and high -flying and important. Hope the coffee is good at least.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In my earlier post I said that my hobby of analysing capitalism from a\u00a0sustainable\u00a0point of view has got me to the point where I see that\u00a0capitalism\u00a0is actually a grammar describing the language of money. 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